Talk:Mary Somers

Horizon is not "officially confirmed". There are no official releases saying she is the next legend, no one at Respawn is saying she is a legend. The only we have are the datamined info and the dialogue at the end of the teaser, which does not officially confirm her and may mean anything. She is most likely the next legend but "most likely" is not the same as "officially confirmed". Preepmtively reverting as per the style guide until consensus is reached. Metafysika (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * http://prntscr.com/v3v560. Lightning Laxus (talk) 13:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's far from "officially confirmed", it just adds more to the evidence that she's the next legend but until Respawn officially confirms her as the next legend, the wiki should consider it still as just speculation and assumptions. Also, please refrain from reverting the changes any more until a consensus as to where we should go with this is reached. The reason I went with the change I made as the revision to stay while things are sorted out is due to the policy stated on the style guide about datamined/unreleased content.  You're all free to discuss any changes to that policy and whatever the community's consensus on it will be the one that stays. Metafysika (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * It clearly says the Champion Edition will come with 8 current locked Legends and the Season 7 Legend. In the part of the trailer where it advertises the 9 Legends, you can see 8 current locked Legends in the foreground and Horizon on the banners. Plus, the Season 7 Legend is teased in a previous scene doing the exact same pose Horizon does in A Wee Experiment.


 * "That's far from 'officially confirmed'" -- yeah no. We're told we get 9 Legends including the Season 7 Legend, and the trailer shows us 8 Legends + Horizon. We don't need to be spoonfed. Lightning Laxus (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Like I said, they could just go Forge on us and actually go through it this time. The fact that they haven't specifically confirmed that "Season 7" == "Horizon" is enough to make it speculation since Respawn can change it any time they want. All signs point to Horizon, and I personally believe that she will be the next legend, but we as a community decided that datamined/unreleased/unannounced content is kept away from the main pages as much as humanly possible. The fact is that:
 * Horizon is not yet announced as the Season 7 legend. For all we know it will be Valk like some of the other dataminers suggest.
 * It is most likely Horizon, but that does not matter since our policy is datamined/unreleased/unannounced content is not to be linked to any pages containing released content. Someone searching for Mary Somers who does not have any idea of any of the leaks and theories would be in for a shock when they get to a page with datamined content for a legend that is set to be released two seasons later Metafysika (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * This is pointless. The Champion Edition comes with 8 Legends, plus the Season 7 Legend. The trailer shows 8 Legends, plus Horizon. She even says "...when we face ya in the Games..." and "See ya real soon darlings." She's an upcoming Legend and everyone knows it.


 * I'm not even suggesting to plaster "Season 7" on her page; I was the one who reverted a user who attempted to do that. My point, if I wasn't clear, is that it is pointless to try to hide that Horizon is the upcoming Legend. It's different from Ash and Blisk because everyone can already figure out she's going to be a Legend via official and public means (she's on the Legend banner screens for crying out loud), whereas for Ash and Blisk you need to look at leaks. What's the point of putting her on a page that was made specifically for non-Legends when everyone already knows she's a Legend?


 * > we as a community decided that datamined/unreleased/unannounced content is kept away from the main pages as much as humanly possible.


 * What? None of my actions involved putting datamined/unreleased/unannounced content on main pages. My actions were to remove the Mary Somers section from the NPC page and I changed the redirect to Horizon because everyone already knows that Mary Somers = Horizon.


 * But, whatever. Season 7 is coming in a few weeks anyway. Lightning Laxus (talk) 20:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The Champion Edition comes with 8 legends plus another one, which is the Season 7 legend. Don't you think that if Horizon was 100% confirmed officially the next legend Respawn would go out of their way to not say who it is? If Horizon was officially confirmed as the next legend they wouldn't have put a silhouette there, they would have plastered her face front and center, they wouldn't have said "8 legends and the Season 7 one", they would have said "8 legends and the Season 7 legend, Horizon". They wouldn't have had to hide her behind a blurry banner in the background.
 * Because she's officially the next legend, there is no need for teasers or hiding her on places that only people determined to find out hints for the next legend would look for. It doesn't matter if some dataminer said it's 100% confirmed that she's the next legend, nor does it matter if every evidence we have says that she will be. Until Respawn has officially confirmed her, and that only happens when:
 * The Season 7 page on the Apex Legends website says so.
 * The game's official Social Media channels says so.
 * A Respawn dev says so.
 * Something in game says so. (And no, her saying see you soon isn't an official confirmation she'll be the next legend, it's a teaser, it's suppose to make you think that she will be the next legend. She could appear as an NPC or navigator like character instead of a legend for all we know, and we would still be "seeing her")
 * All information about her that doesn't come from those sources are either unofficial, unreleased or datamined content. Which as the community has decided is something we should keep off pages with released content.
 * The Horizon page is full of datamined content, the only official thing there is Horizon = Mary Somers, which doesn't merit a page of its own, that's why I put her in the NPC page. You can definitely put "Horizon is Mary Somers" on her NPC page, because that is confirmed already, she says so herself. But saying she is "officially confirmed" as the next legend isn't the case, and the Horizon page assumes she is already, with listings for her datamined abilities. You also can't wikilink the Horizon part of the text because it would lead people to the page with datamined content. Metafysika (talk) 14:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * You've completely missed my point. You focused so hard on the first paragraph on my previous reply, you've ignored the second.


 * > The Horizon page is full of datamined content, the only official thing there is Horizon = Mary Somers, which doesn't merit a page of its own, that's why I put her in the NPC page


 * No it's not, and Mary Somers would just be a redirect, not a page of its own. It's pointless to put it in the NPC page because everyone already knows she's a Legend. Once again, she's on the Legend banners and she's being teased right now. It's really pointless to try to hide it. Lightning Laxus (talk) 14:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)